tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post6174462187643736560..comments2023-09-21T04:43:51.314-04:00Comments on Autism Bulletin: Autistic Kids Score Better on Alternative IQ TestMichael Goldberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09643466399327386644noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-30121787857971679582012-04-17T12:27:07.690-04:002012-04-17T12:27:07.690-04:00Man parents would welcome a low score because thei...Man parents would welcome a low score because their kids would get services?? What a stupid thing to say. I felt my heart break and then the little pieces fell down into my shoes when I was told my son's IQ was 65. I know it's higher than that, though I believe it was a modified test.Jane Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15503008712277275035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-51031519855730441142012-03-04T15:58:21.344-05:002012-03-04T15:58:21.344-05:00While the Raven may not be considered "compre...While the Raven may not be considered "comprehensive", I can assure you that the TONI (Test of Nonverbal Intelligence) is. I have a son that scored a 73 on the Wisc prior to age 7 but a 51 when tested years later. And because he has multiple behavioral disorders in addition to his learning disabilities that make it difficult for him to regulate his emotional response which requires hospitalization in a long term treatment facility, I can tell you an accurate measure of his IQ is crucial. Because he is 9 years old and supposedly has the IQ of 51, the state of KY outsources his treatment as there is no facility in KY that will accept a child of his age with his so called IQ. Btw, it is immediately apparent to everyone, not just his mother, how intelligent this child is, not at all indicative of his standardized score. I highly reccomend the TONI as I am currently pursuing this comprehensive test for my son as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-79947154364808122792010-10-29T20:51:19.612-04:002010-10-29T20:51:19.612-04:00As a mother of two autistic children I can say emp...As a mother of two autistic children I can say emphatically that the W test is most certainly inaccurate for children with language/communication delays, particularly if given at a young age before an autistic child has benefited from language and social therapies. I have seen the test administered on the same child at age 6 and then at 13 with a 30 point jump in score, simply because the child was old enough to have learned to engage through therapy. Did the child get smarter? I don't think so. The test was just highly inaccurate at an earlier age.<br /><br />So either the test should not be used as a measure of potential, or, it should not be used at all until the child is able to verbalize, understand language and engage. I will not allow this test to be administered to my second child until I feel her language and social skills have improved enough for it to be accurate. You do not need and IQ test to recognize and address deficiencies. There are other ways to do that. However an inaccurate IQ test can create low expectations for your child that can damage his/her lifelong potential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-22844411657246998182009-09-01T08:28:23.335-04:002009-09-01T08:28:23.335-04:00Discussed with the orthopedagoog (medical pedagogy...Discussed with the orthopedagoog (medical pedagogy) who had taken the Wisc test at my son. She explained that Raven is a good and easy test to perform but gives a narrow result. If a child is verbally at a certain level (can cope with a certain school level, interact in conversations, follow up verbal orders even if it has to be cut in 3 parts to get him to the end result) a child should be able to perform Wisc and the details of the test result will give you a better knowledge on where the child does have it's problems with what we call intelligence. Is it on the verbal side and if so what part of the verbal side. Is it on the performal side and if so what part of it. 3 additional test parts give addtional information.<br /><br />Whereas Raven only shows the visual received orders and performance. <br /><br />However this may give you a nice high IQ score it won't help you that much in finding the bottle necks for your child to use this intelligence.<br /><br />But if you have a child that you can't reach verbally Raven is a very good test to perform. Raven can also always be performed in addition to for example Wisc.Yinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-55910931330255191842008-05-08T09:32:00.000-04:002008-05-08T09:32:00.000-04:00You can ask your school department, but you may ne...You can ask your school department, but you may need to find a developmental psychologist or other medical professional to help you get the test done.<BR/>MichaelMichael Goldberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09643466399327386644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-71751929901946767912008-05-08T08:56:00.000-04:002008-05-08T08:56:00.000-04:00My 12 y.o son was diagnosed with PDD-nos last year...My 12 y.o son was diagnosed with PDD-nos last year. We are having our PPT/IEP to transition him to the next grade. He had his last Wisc test in 2nd grade.<BR/><BR/>I would like to ask for the RAVEN test done , does the school do this , or do I need to consult someone on my own?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-62557104746566351382008-02-12T00:23:00.000-05:002008-02-12T00:23:00.000-05:00Great article. I ran into your blog while research...Great article. I ran into your blog while researching for appropriate tests for my son who has severe autism and is non verbal.<BR/><BR/>He was given a standard IQ test that showed him as being retarded. How unfair is that. I plan an requesting a records change and have the words mentally retarded removed from his file.~Zurama Arencibia Nuñez~https://www.blogger.com/profile/11559659835021430653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-24820013681854422872007-09-19T07:11:00.000-04:002007-09-19T07:11:00.000-04:00Modern medicine sees all mental illness deriving o...Modern medicine sees all mental illness deriving only from the brain - primarily from neurotransmitter imbalance and nothing else - the truth is that in many cases there is often an underlining physical cause (eg: infection, celiac disease, etc) and this is often never investigated, and so its no wonder today we are faced with the current tragedy that the Mentally ill die 25 years earlier, so what about these studies: 'An autopsy of 82 patients who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Gastritis was found in 50%, enteritis in 85% and colitis in 92%.' <BR/>'99% certain of a genetic association between schizophrenia and coeliac disease' <BR/>'Enterocolitis discovered in the majority of children with Autistic spectrum disorders' <BR/>http://www.gutandmentalillness.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28229731.post-24616400670675323692007-08-17T13:12:00.000-04:002007-08-17T13:12:00.000-04:00My son has had IQ tests for non-verbal children, b...My son has had IQ tests for non-verbal children, but I wonder if this is different, as he is incredibly good at patterns and all kinds of visual orientation. I am also curious what the "standard" that neuropsychologists use.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com